Chella answers:
Case 1: WHEN THE BRAHMINs/HIGH CASTE PARENTS REALEASING ADS IN TIMES OF INDIA OR HINDU MATRIMONIAL COLUMN FOR THEIR DAUGHTERS WITH A STANDARD LAST LINE "CAST NO BAR" then we will say let us abolish the caste based reservation system!
Case 2: WHEN THE BRAHMINs ARE JOINING THE SCAVENGER JOBS ON THEIR OWN then we can say THERE IS NO CASTE BASED BACKWARDNESS so let us abolish the caste based reservation system!
So these ostriches have burried their head in the sand and saying "There is no caste system in India". Beware of these caste mongers. Just for their education they will say we dont practice casteism. But their matrimonial ads will never says so !
Have a look at THE HINDU MATRIMONIAL SITE
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Chella I had a similar good long debate with few people in group-mails....will post it in my blog soon.
Greatt comments I must say.
All your arguments are flawed. Caste is an identity, much like your own name. It just associates you with your gene pool.
Discrimination based on caste system is an evil and has to be abolished.
There is nothing wrong in maintaining gene pool integrity. Marrying within the caste is definitely not 'evil'.
And to your argument that upper caste people should take up scavenging jobs, Why dont you take up one yourself??
None of the arguments stand on their own.
1)Sitaram Yechury: There are two things. First, The guy speaking to Yechury is not clearly the top of the crop. Second, Yechury is a smart politician. He has thrown a lot of stats without any basis.
1.1)The demand for the non political comitte was made because it is percieved that the politicians made a mess of their job. How can the very same politicans find any fault with the foolish job they've done? They will clearly cover things up. Fifty years ago, the politicans took a call on putting reservations there for 10 years, and to revise that decision after that. They haven't even done that till now.
1.2)Regarding the setting up of the institute, it was done by different politicians. The current crop of them are clearly not concerned with the welfare of the public, or there would've been more such institutes. People wouldn't be fighting to join the same set of institutes for half century.
1.3)How many of the doctors from India leave for abroad? If it is 10% of all, and out of them 90% are upper caste, what basis does Yechury have for his argument? If more doctors are leaving abroad, then there is something clearly wrong "in India". Does Yechury mean that the reserved doctors will stay in India as "they are not qualified enough to go abroad"?
1.4)The youth he mentioned are not competing for the doctors job. The only ones competing are sons of Engineers, doctors, businessmen and politicians. These people have the same/more facilities than other competitors. Why should they get any advantage because of being born in a different caste? That is why there is a demand for reservations based on poverty line.
2)The guy says that Tam guys will fill vacancies in all PG reserved seats. They are not filling the UG seats which are already reserved. How will they get around flling the PG ones? By slashing the qualifying requirements and destroying the standards of the class? Anyway, you know most of the people get good enough jobs after UG level. If you want to study after that, you can do two things
a)Get a job, earn some money, pay your way through
b)Do well enough at the UG level, where you are given everything, and earn a scholarship through merit. It is not so difficult.
How much time will you live like a parasite?
3)Why is the question racist? You know of 10 guys with law degrees. Whom will you recruit to fight your case if you are about to be hanged? The one with consistently good acads or the one who scrapped through because he wasn't good enough? That is how majority of the reserved category guys get out. Are the politicians brave enough to get operated by them? If they are, that is surprisingly not evident in stats. Every politician worth his salt goes abroad for treatment.
4)Such a foolish reasoning. Is being pro poor bad? There might be problems with definition of poor people. But the bottom line is, anybody who is good enough to study (merit wise) shouldn't loose out because of monetary considerations. That's all there is to it. If you think with a bent mind, you will find "Love thy neighbour" to be scandalous. Grow up.
5)
5.1)Why is he so bent on marrying a so called upper caste? What is so special about them? So, they don't want to marry somebody who lives differently, has different eating habbits and basically has a different idea of life. If he is fixated on marrying an upper caste, try to woo one. Abusing every one of them doesn't really look like a way to marry one of them. Don't you think?
5.2)Hello! welcome to real world. Sulabh Sauchalaya was a concept started by a Brahmana. So, you want your scavenger to be a Brahmana. Right! Put an ad in newspaper. Some needy Brahmana might come and do that job if you pay enough money. Why are you ranting here?
I am saying this again, there is no caste system in India except for the inferirority complex of a few muddled brains like you. Get some self respect, stop beating yourself and more importantly, get a life.
Ha! And if don't publish the comments I made here, it would just mean that you are an intellectually dishonest guy. And you are not brave enough to admit your mistakes. So, decide for yourself if you are man enough to admit that you were wrong.
Good for you man! I appreciate you posting my comments here. Now people can decide which of us are nearer to the truth.
I say,
A father (Whos family is a vegetarian) wants her daughter to be married to ONLY a Vegetarian Family!
Are you gonna hold it up against vegetarianism now?
My Dear Chella,
Caste is definetely a reality in India and we can not shy away from that fact. It is also true that a society divided on the basis of caste is an unjust one. Hence is it not the collective responsibility of the government and the people to ensure that we progress towards and build an united India? The right means for doing that would be education. Instead we are using hell bent on ensuring that India never gets rid of caste based divisions and paradoxically we are using education to ensure it.
"Interesting" ;-) blog...took some while to realise what you meant by "coke cane" - initially thought you meant cocaine and then it dawned on me what you meant...
You have confused marriages with education. Marriage is a different thing. It is about a life partner, and I dont see anything wrong with wanting a spouse who understands and accepts one's family's way of life.
Who do you think are the worst perpetrators of caste-based discrimination in your state? Brahmins or other castes who have enrolled in BC/MBC group? Tell me who are the two groups that fight all the time in Tirunelveli/Madurai? No, then why do you keep playing the old broken record about brahmins?
Why dont you - the one who are 'concerned' about the welfare of the downtrodden - you are assuming no person from OC is - do something to ease the life of a scavenger rather than ask others to become scavengers? Why didnt you become one for instance?
I also think that the son of a guy stitching shoes should be able to come up, but reservation is NOT the best way to go about it, especially since there is a LOT of misuse - you must surely have come across your friends/classmates getting MBC certificate if they are BC, SC cert if they are MBC etc. Does that guy get any of these fruits? Nay...coz sons of guys like you will ensure that.
Tell me one thing. What is the exit criterion for a person availing reservation. When does it stop? I am asking at the personal level for a person to avail of it - dont give me crap like "when all discrimination stops" etc. And at what level?
Basic education/UG/PG/PhD?
Entering a job?
Promotion? If yes, how many times? Retirement benefits?
i must clarify to u sir, that marriage is not a matter of OPPRTUNITIES.
it is a concious decision taken by two individuals, and even legally termed as a 'contract' between two people.
a person wud obviously want a like minded spouse with minimal areas of everyday or major conflicts.
one is more likely to succeed in finding a person like that in ones own community
so it is the cultural similarity that is of prime importance, when an educated individual advertises in a matrimonial, and not a caste difference. believe me a marriage between two brahmins belong to different regions (E.G. maharashtra and bengal) might still meet with opposition and resent from families, cos it will bring in a no. of every practical problems for the partners and their families.
also opposition in terms of marrying out of caste exists in every community priviledged or otherwise even among the sub-castes
But that is definitely not an example of DENIAL OF OPPURTUNITY ON THE BASIS OF CASTE.
So , please dont confuse the issue of caste-based discrimination in education and employment with freedom of choosing a like minded partner.
Don't you have good looking girls in OBC ????
You seem to a fan of the biggest mother fucker on mother earth..wait a sec you guessed it right..i am talking about periyar - the jack ass
I am studying in IIT right now and am happy to inform you that a number of "backward caste" students have come out with flying colours.
One thing common to all these smart chaps is that they entered IIT as general category students.
Most "reserved category" students on the other hand are monetarily rich and academically poor. They are often sons of rich executives and have thus stolen away a seat meant for the shoe-shine boy" you refer to.
What y4e would like the government to do is take up some concrete targets and see to it that sc/st/obc students get sufficient primary education and thus increase the size of obc population entering through merit is acceptably large.
Instead the government has said clearly
"We will hand over an illiterate man from OBC a graduation certificate and claim to have uplifted a million poor OBCs. We won't take up our responsibility of seeing to it that they are able to reach excellence....forcing a couple of rich fools from OBC onto the nation is enough to get us votes."
ARE YOU A POLITICIAN!!!! OR ASPIRING TO BE ONE????
bhainchod !! u black south indian!!! just shut ur smelly mouth and go fuck black pussies in abudhabi coz thats what u assholes can do!!!
its becoz of u black south indians that the image of indians has become bad abroad!! maybe instead of kashmir, it wud be better to give away entire south india to pakistan!!! their already dwindling economy will hit rock bottom becoz of u fuckin south indians!!!
if i were born with looks like u , i wud have shot myself in the brain!!! u fucking south indian!!!
Uncle if every thing is good in TN then what are you doing in Abu Dhabi???
I have had friends who were from backward castes and performed badly and I have had friends from the forward castes who performed as badly too.The point you are making is that low caste people are inherently foolish and hence need to be given waivers!!Its not a question of caste , an ignorant brahmin has as less a chance to become a doctor as a poor OBC from the country side.If you demand more Kendriya Vidyalayas and Navodaya Vidyalayas in Rural areas then am with, but if you want reservations then uncle u better stay in Abu Dhabi and suck up to the Sheikh there.
Excellent Analysis & Survey by Brother Chella.
Keep on exposing these casteist rascals.
Mr.chella,
Your outpourings are your feelings and I honour them, but you seem to have missed the woods for a tree!
those who perpetuate the caste systems are not the so called Brahmins but our sweet politicians! Cant we do away with an age old tradition of delegently putting "Caste" into your educational records? If you dont talk about caste today you may be denied admission into your colleges, are you not aware that today calling onself belonging to a certain caste gives them great honour and "Peravais" have sprung up to celebrate these too!
Think again and tell us who is not blemished? I think one need to just see few tamil films of this genere to come to a conclusion.
Dude Y do you care so much abt marrying brahmins.What is so cool abt them?It's just plain inferiority complex.And like some1 said although brahmins stared all thes caste thingy,they stopped it ages ago and its the politicians who have made it an issue.
By the way,abt poor 'lower castes' people not getting entrance coaching-
Ever heard a proverb "A bad workman blames his tools"
You guys seriously got to see Nayak
I would b glad to hear ur reply
hey why do u blame brahmins for everything u have a screwed up system what did we do.what kind of mentality is this,only u r responsible for ur failures and weaknesses.We have done so much for this country produced the greatest scientists the greatest everything and is this how we r repaid being insulted at every turn.
what the hell ru talkin abt we marry who we want i dont have who u want.y r u crying because brahmins wont marry u.dude ur a loser,seriously.
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