Monday, June 26, 2006

Arun Shourie exposed ! Foolishness at its peak!


Karan Thapar: Let's come to the better ways in a moment's time, I very much want to talk about them. But for most people listening to this interview, it will come as supreme shock that you believe reservations for the Scheduled Castes, who have suffered centuries of discrimination, are unjustified. Let me put to you why people disagree. Even today, Valmiki graduates are unable to get proper jobs and have to scavenge because they are considered untouchables. Even today, the Mushahars of Bihar are forced to eat rats and mice because they are too poor to access proper meal. Are you saying to me that reservations for such people are wrong?

Arun Shourie: Yes. Because the way to help them is to give them jobs and to give them access to education so that they don’t eat the damned mice. And the very fact that after 50 years of reservations, they are still eating mice is a conclusive argument against the compassion that you are showing.

Karan Thapar: Except for the fact that they don’t get jobs because they are untouchables.

Arun Shourie: Absolutely bunk. It is the other way round.

Karan Thapar: Why then are there Valmiki graduates scavenging for a living?

Arun Shourie: But there are Brahmin graduates who are doing it because of inadequacy of jobs.

Karan Thapar: But there is a difference. In one case, there is discrimination and in the other it is the inadequacy of jobs.

Arun Shourie: No. No. You just don’t let me speak. In China, people are scavenging and eating rats. Not because of caste, but because of 110 million of floating population who have lost their jobs.

Now Chella Wrote:

See the foolishness at its peak. This Arun fool is quoting China,
"In China, people are scavenging and eating rats. Not because of caste, but because of 110 million of floating population who have lost their jobs.". You FC fool, there is no caste system itself in Chinese, or Japanese Shinto or DreamTime of Australian Aborigines or of any other religion except the Hinduism which propogated CHADURVARNAM MAYA SHRISHTAM ideology and practice. So if there is no caste system practised in China... then how can they have discrimination based on caste? We all know someone has to clean the toilets in any country whether in China or Japan ... but how this IDIOT SHOURIE can explain the fact that 90% of Indian Scavengers are untouchables and not even one percent are Brahmins ?

When it comes to help their FC brothern these idiots forget the logic comfortably! That is why they have thrown out of the power system in India and no takers for their arguement in their own party. Beware sorry Ignore these Idiots and Jokers!

Dear Mr Shourie you have all the right to remain as a socio political fool but you dont have any right even to dream ( you poor powerless guy) to make fools in Indian subcontinent.

Then what about your next book on " How Gujarat Killings helped the state to become number one in the country?!!

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In this context I would like to publish a portion of the article "How does the media treat Dalits and the issues which concern them?- by
ChandraBhan Prasad

Last Sunday, the 18th Annual Convention of BAMCEF kicked off in Delhi. The four-day convention is a gala event which the Dalit intelligentsia awaits each December. Even Dalit NRIs turn up in considerable numbers. This year, over 6,000 BAMCEF delegates from 26 states/276 districts descended on the Ramlila Ground in Delhi. The ground was renamed BAMCEF city with all essential facilities, including a media centre and online internet facility, being made available. There was also a Dalit book fair where some 20 leading Dalit book distributors put up their stalls.

The BAMCEF Annual Convention is considered to be a Dalit intellectual mela, where most ideological streams amongst the Dalits/Bahujans are allowed to take part. Every participant, from a civil servant to a grade four employee, resides in the pavilion of his state, eats his food in the common dining hall and uses the same bedding provided by the organisers to all. The sessions begin at nine every morning and ends at nine at night. During these mammoth sessions, the issues facing the community are discussed threadbare. Late in the evening, children present cultural programmes. Plus, a large presence of women delegates gives new hope to the Dalit movement.

The BAMCEF Convention is the largest and the only genuine all-India platform for educated and socially enlightened Dalits. In the words of novelist Sagarika Ghose, who visited the venue; "... most Dalit delegates I met appeared highly educated, sophisticated in their articulation and most spoke excellent English." As a matter of convention, the BAMCEF chairman, Mr Vaman Meshram, whom I think of as being next only to Kanshi Ram and Mayawatiji, does not leave the venue for the entire four days. But how did the media treat the just concluded event? Barring The Pioneer and Hindi daily Rashtriya Sahara, no other mainstream media outfit wrote a word about the event. Most media organisations were invited to witness and cover the event.

I spoke to the news editor of an important English daily and asked him to send a representative from his organisation. He fumbled, trying to figure out what the BAMCEF was. I wondered how a journalist, holding an important position in a newspaper, was ignorant about an organisation which has produced leaders of the stature of Kanshi Ram and Mayawati and which is the Dalits' most celebrated intellectual forum? Can any journalist show similar ignorance about the existence of the RSS?

I was in Andhra Pradesh over December 19 and 20. I was invited to attend a Land-Liberation Movement in Rajamundhry town of the East Godavari district. In this coastal district of Andhra Pradesh, a "gentleman" politician is believed to hold about 1,500 acres of agricultural land, illegally. Dalits under the banner of the Dalit-Bahujan Forum (DBF) are waging a battle. Some 12,000 Dalit writers, social and cultural activists and student leaders from all over the state had assembled at Rajamundhry. Any Dalit intellectual worth his name in Andhra was there to stage a dharna at the Sub-Collector's office and participate in the grand rally. Even Prakash Ambedkar, grand son of Baba Saheb Ambedkar, graced the occasion.

"Since politicians themselves defy the ceiling legislation, we are targeting them first," said the movement's leader Vinai Kumar. The organisers had invited Hyderabad-based representatives of the national media. I arrived in Delhi on December 21 but didn't see a single report filed by any of the national dailies.

11 comments:

Shankar Anand said...

Chella, you didnt understand the logic that Arun Shourie has talked (though I dont support what he said). You are blindly blaming him.

He has said that though China does not have a caste system, there are still people there who are eating rats and suffering. So we cannot say that all this suffering is ONLY because of the caste system. It is due to unemployment mainly, as it is clearly seen in the case of China.

Osai Chella said...

Dear Shankar Anand, if that is the case what about in India only caste based ppl are working in sewage disposal. Why the hell this idiot is showing China as an example since somewhere in someplace some has to clean the toilets... irrespective of the caste... but in INDIA no dignity and these manuwadi parrots who repeated few thousands slokas without any intelligence wont understand the facts unless kicked in the ass and also from the front at vital organs. Who the hell this Shourie going to HELP US. We know what we need and ask him to read the whole Tamilnadu case studies. We know the trick casue we have debated, we have seen courts, we have seen politicians opposing it... and we could achieve 69% and results too, veri visible with the gap of cut off mark is very negligible now... I knew I have to ignore this interview cause he is not an authority in the issue.. still published to show his poor tactics to defend a lost case!

Shankar Anand said...

I just wanted to bring out the flaw in blaming Arun Shourie and wanted to explain why he had given China's example.

How do you say that 69% reservation has resulted in reduction in cut-off gaps? They are unrelated events in my book.

Please don't quote Tamilnadu's case. Everybody knows that TN private Engineering colleges have long lost their reputation. They are nothing but degree generating factories, nowhere near IITs or BITS.

Osai Chella said...

Shankar Anand, dont be an Ostrich and read my post on Medical Colleges data, hope you wont say they are MBBS creating factories! Then it will show your true colour casue TN doctors not proving to myopic idiots like you but to world as a prime destination for Medical Tourism.

Anonymous said...

Chella, i think you've just gone through the first page of the interview and have drawn some conclusions which might appease you and some people. Please go through the entire interview and try to understand his logic. I cannot say / comment upon Arun's view. As per my personal opinion, Reservations should be implemented for the downtrodden and there is no question about it and definitely Caste is not the parameter.

Anonymous said...

Lol .. its very amusing to see how people with a shortage of brain cells and the lack of ability for simple reasoning, try to become critics to what other more intelligent people have to say. Calling Arun Shourrie a fool ... and doing that repeatedly, for the lone reason that you, in all your brilliance, were not able to interpret what he wanted to say ( didnt want to comment, but from your posts and the execessive usage of LARGE FONTS and "pretty" colours, ppl can easily make out why the heck you couldnt understand a thing of what was being communicated ), is exactly what is expected from you and your bretheren ( not intended at the Backward Castes.. i have no reservations against those that do have grey cells, and most of the ones i know do have them ).

I usually am not vocal in such sensitive topics as i try to understand the other side's feelings too, but i HAD to comment seeing that even shankar's very courteous and well mannered opinions, were treated in a harsh way.

Well... at least part of this topic is very aptly named... the second half... ( in case you dont get it, let me know i will explain more explicitly next time )

Anonymous said...

"comment moderation has been enabled"
Now i know why only 4 comments are there. Im pretty sure you dont wanna post(let others post) arguments that you know you can not understand / defend

Anonymous said...

This is not arun shouri's interview. its fabricated.
Chella, kindly post an authentic url and i would then comment. Arun Shoorie's foolish, narayan moothy sux, every intelligent and productive human sux...Chella u seem to criticize EVERY DAMN PERSON. please be constructive henceforth.

rajasaranam said...

LOLsss Chella,
You do have some sense of humour :D
That moron Arun shourie was the disinvestment minister in the previous govt. All these upper caste bastards want to go and settle down in USofA while they will sell off the whole of india to some Multinational companies. And they want us to keep quiet witnessing all these. The days of over and the war is on. This should be the final round of war its either them or us. If time permits look at my post on this issue at http://rajasaranam.blogspot.com/

Manoranjan Mallick said...

Essencially India is a caste based society,Arun Shourie's argument is not based on logical way,naturally logic is a subject out of Brahmins perception,This query for mr Arun Shourie,why chinees do not practice Brahminism ?
How a Brahmin is a God at the same time they are common man?

Unknown said...

Dear bamcef,
arun shuari out of gone case.he did give us his foolisheness his earlier books & comments. kindly ignore him.but another issue is pune muncipal corporation had demolished mahatma fule first girl school and sell it to private builder for shopping mall.it is work of demolish evidence of our ideal memory, we should agitate such offence... jai mulniwasi....--manoj sonawane RMU mumbai unit