Logic sucks for Antireservationists

What type of logic are these anti-reservation people talkng about…I think they first have to understand the meaning of 'logic’, only then should they use the word LOGIC..
Going by the logic of anti-reservationists, that merit alone and not accident of birth should be the criteria for seats or positions. This is what all stupid anti-reservation people have to say..to sumarize they wana say three things..
1)Do not divide.
2)Equality.
3)Merit.
Now let me clear the meaning about these words which they are usng again and again without any logical thinkng…

(1) The very first thing these anti-reservation people are sayng is ‘DON’T DIVIDE people’ by giving reservation…what the hell are these people sayng .. no one can understand their logic..India is divided into caste system since 2000 yrs back...and now these people are sayng that dont divide (which is already divided)…these so called uper caste people (whose population is only 15%) have ruled over lower caste people (85% population) since 2000 yrs and made them deprived of all facilities.. now government is tryng to provide them all the facilities which they have been dprived off , so that they can come up in society and try to make India a developed country.

Goverment wants each and every person of this country to come up by givng them opportunities and facilities..but these uper caste people who are only 15% by population want to rule in all sections …they can't see any dalit coming up.. if these people are sayng do not divide..then I will sugest them 1st to do the following things, if they can! :-

1) change the mentality of every person of india so that they will not think of caste any time..not at the time of admission, not at the time of marriage, not at the time of giving facilities to particular persons and particular region. Political parties such as the Shiv Sena who are vociferous in opposing caste based reservations, in fact equally vociferously support reservations for the natives identified on the basis of language. And yet almost no one in India thinks of these system as unfair or discriminatory, and as undermining “DO NOT DIVIDE” in society. Reservations are fine if it is practiced on the basis of family (a euphemism for caste), language, or region. But the moment caste is a basis for affirmative action there ARE HOWLS OF PROTEST!

ii) Convert every person of the country to Unorthodox (not to believe in any religion)..ifyoucan't do this, then try to convert every person of India to only one religion,that is BUDHISM (in which there is no such discrimination as there is in HINDUISM). The taste of a thing can be changed. But the poison cannot be made amrit. To talk of annihilating castes is like talking of changing the poison into amrit. In short, so long as we remain in a religion, which teaches a man to treat another man like a leper, the sense of discrimination on account of caste, which is deeply rooted in our minds, can not go. For annihilating caste and untouchables, change of religion is the only antidote.

Now if these anti-reservation people cant do the above two things then they should stop using the word “DON’T DIVIDE” anymore …

2) The 2nd thing which these anti-reservation people are using is EQUALITY..they are using such a big word without any logical thinkng….

EQUALITY = equal opportunity to everyone…
EVERYONE = all caste people should have equal opportunity.
OPPORTUNITY = a stage to grow.

Bias enters in recruitment, and in other ways too. Many software companies recruit new employees by asking existing employees to recommend new ones. So they contact people in their networks. Some ongoing studies by sociologists show that this leads to concentration of people from similar background in terms of gender, caste, and community within companies. They also found that qualified candidates from dalit or OBC backgrounds since they are first generation educated persons in their families and are not part of these networks, find it difficult to get jobs because of this practice.

How many of those opposing reservations speak out against inheritance rights? Even if one accepts right to inheritance, why should property be reserved only for sons and not daughters as happens in reality in most families in India. Would it be correct to say that sons have no merit and cannot fend for themselves and therefore need the property, but daughters don’t since they have more merit? Is this the equality these anti-reservation people are talkng about??

If each person of this country is so much concernd about the growth of the country, then they should appreciate the move by government to increase the reservation. this reservation is totally based on the number of population in each caste..it's not a random move..goverment has taken a survey in which they have found that there is 85% people of the contry who belong to SC/ST/OBC category and only 15% are non dalit..

these non dalit people were havng all the facilities since 2000 yrs and are very well developed financialy and mentaly that they can compete in any type of situation..while most of 85% dalit people are not in a position to compete with these 15% people…but if they are to have an opportunity so that they can also come up and do somthing good for their family, theirr contry, thenthey should be given EQUAL opportunity ..so by giving 50% resrvation to 85% dalit population is a good move..so that every community and caste people will get equal opportunity to grow.

Now consider this following situation..doyoufind any EQUALITY there!!??

* BSE, (Mumbai Stock Exchange) set up in 1875. 3500 companies traded every day, no Dalit owned company traded in 1875, none in 2005.
* CII (Confederation of Indian Industry), set up around 1895. 57,00 member organizations, and 80,000 individual members, no Dalit member till now.
* ASSOCHAM (Associated Chambers of Commerce and Industry of India), set up in 1920. one lakh individual company membership, no Dalit company member.
* FICCI (Federation of Indian Chambers of Commerce and Industry), set up in 1927. 1,500 corporate members, and over 500 chambers of commerce, no Dalit member in 1927, none in 2005.
* IIC (India International Centre), set up in 1962. With 4828 individual, and 296 corporate membership, no Dalit member in 1962, and none in 2005.

Before 50 yrs when these so called uper caste were rulng on dalit.. they were at the best to achieve anything..they can reach to any level in an organisation ..like they can be a owner of sugar company..they can be a CEO of their company..they can make their own company...they can be DGM,GM of any company..but what about dalits??? they were not getng any thing...now consider the next generation i.e our generation these cream of uper caste goes on gaining more and more...and children of dalit are struglng ...and even after strugling they are not sure to get any higher post in any company ...even if they have that much of capability....
now i wana ask these anti-reservation people folowing questions...

i) are you going to hand over 50 % of sugar industry to dalit people? and keep 50%of them to so cald uper caste..
ii) are you going to place or rather say, appoint 50% of all the CEO of india to dalit and keep rest to uper caste??
iii) most importantly are you going to replace 50% of college proffessors by dalit candidates and keep rest 50% to uper caste??

if you are going to provide the above things then I am ready to acept your EQUALITY system..and if u are nt capable of doing that then I am sorry you are using
EQUALITY irrelvent..

NO Equal Opportunity = no growth of each and every person of the Country, only 15% people will grow!
Only 15% growth = no overall development of country .

So in order to give EQUAL opportunity , the only way is to provide RESERVATION…otherwise growth will be concentrated only in certain groups of people, and it will not be an overall growth.

(3) Now the 3rd point which evry anti-reservation idiots are sayng with a loud voice is “MERIT”
why these anti-reservation people are talkng about merit today when government is doing some good work for dalit people….

In India, there are some who speak English very well, whereas there are some who can not. Some are very confident, while others are timid. Some look and act smart while others don’t. These are things people acquire from their family background and through socialization. Sometimes, some people who are academically very good get a lesser placement or job, compared to others who are not very good academically, but who are very confident, smart looking, and able to talk glibly. Meritorious candidates lose out. We need to remember that the criteria for assessing merit are very arbitrary and often not related to the job or expectation. So if we have a better system of assessing skill and attitude (other than rote learning and examination based systems), many of those currently considered as without merit will get in.

Another example is in the field of education where there is reservation on the basis of ability to PAY, which no one opposes. There are hundreds of private professional colleges where one may have very good marks but can’t get in because you can’t afford to pay. These are justified in the name of a euphemism – “MANAGEMENT QUOTA” and “NRI QUOTA”. How many of the anti-reservationists oppose these? Hardly any of the private professional colleges have adequate loan or scholarship schemes. In many states in India, students are admitted to engineering colleges with 35% as the minimum marks. Those who have low percentages and enough money get seats. One doesn’t hear of anyone complaining against the seats going to non-merit candidates in these case. In fact there is such an oversupeopley that despite the low eligibility marks, thousands of seats go vacant every year!

One hears from many management graduates from premium institutes in India that large corporates and MNCs in India prefer candidates who may not be very good but who come from influential families, so that they can get their jobs done using their contacts and networks. What happens to the candidates with MERIT? And yet these very corporates oppose reservations in the name of merit!

Should not the merit of candidates be assessed before passing on the property? Take agricultural land in India. In many cases, the skilled agricultural labourer doesn’t get the property but an unskilled, absentee landlord living in a city gets access to agricultural land from his (mostly) or her parent when he (mostly) or she dies.

Another example is a practice found among most of our large, medium and small business persons who are now raising their voice against reservation in the private sector. In India in the case of most businesses, including those where shareholders and financial institutions hold the majority shares, management is by inheritance whether you take the Ambanis, Birlas, or most other families.

Some exceptions are Narayanamurthey, Deepak Parekh and Sunil Mittal who have said that they will not pass on management and control to their children, but will pass on, or have already passed on management control to professionals who have the ‘merit’ and ability. How many of those opposing reservations speak out against business and management inheritance? In most countries in Europe and North America, the founding families have very little control over the running of the company. In a recent famous case, the families of Hewlett and Packard opposed the merger of Compaq and HP, but the shareholders and the CEO went ahead with it. In most companies in the US, it is the shareholders who decide the CEO and other functionaries through the board of directors, not one’s father or sometimes mother, as in India.

Mr.Rahul Bajaj who has expressed a wish to start a movement against reservations, is himself said to be “grooming” his SON to take over from him as CEO. The excuse that people like Mr.Bajaj always give for putting their children in positions of power is that they have been ‘groomed’. What prevents them from grooming a non-family member? How is it that fairly young family members are pushed to the top whereas those who have worked for a company and proved their talents over a long time never get the top positions? Mr.Bajaj asked for a level playing field when it comes to competition from MNCs, but doesn’t believe in a level playing field when it comes to the underprivileged! Mr.Bajaj should justify to his shareholders why the CEO position is reserved for his son, before he retires and starts a movement against reservations.

Mr.Dhoot of Videocon publicly stated that his company does not TAKE WOMEN at the executive level. In the context of these kind of exclusion, how do opponents of reservation policies justify the exclusion of some groups and the inclusion of others? If one does an informal survey, it is easy to find out how many big companies have senior staff belonging to members of the company owner or major shareholder or founder’s caste, community, gender, region, linguistic group. How many women members of the Birla, Bajaj, or Ambani families are permitted to work in group companies? One could go on and on with examples. Contrast all these with corporations, government agencies, and universities in the US who in their advertisements put in a special line: “Women and minorities are especially encouraged to apeopley”.

Why is it that in our country land does not belong in a large number of cases, to those who actually cultivate the land – the dalit or adivasi landless agricultural labour? Why is agriculture not even considered to be an important skill in India? If our best scientists and engineers or doctors go and cultivate the land, the crops will fail for sure.

Agricultural workers also have a skill that is important for society but we give it a low value and hence low wages, primarily because the task is performed by so called polluting and ‘low’ castes which has led to devaluing an important skill required for society to survive. If they were paid higher wages, over a period of time their socio-economic situation would improve, their children would be educated, and there would be no need for reservations. But because of past (and current) discrimination, and our present devaluation of an important skill, a certain section of the population continues to be poor, illiterate and so on.

Upper castes have been dominant in India for centuries. Even today if one looks at the government sector, judiciary, corporate sector and so on, minority groups, women, dalits, adivasis, and other backward classes are much fewer in number at the top level compared to their proportion in the population. Can we attribute all the corruption, illiteracy, poverty, inefficiency and lack of development in India to the dominance of the upper caste - that they lacked merit to rule the country? Why is it that we did not develop on many indicators for centuries, and for decades after independence inspite of the dominance of the so-called meritorious upper castes?

Why is it that in the south India states representation of these groups is much higher in government and private sector and these states perform better on most development indicators?

In tamilnadu there is 69% reservation system..no other state have 69% reservation system impelemented..so if every state of the country will do the same thing then I think the position and situation of dalit people will increase more ..and indirectly will help India to become a developed country….

So I would like these anti-reservation people to raise their voice against the above mentioned things first and then talk about merit against reservation..if these anti-reservation people cannot do these things then they don’t have any right to oppose reservation on the basis of MERIT.

Now many people say that we are livng in 21st century , now-a-days no one decriminate anyone against cate at the time of recruitment or for promotion or anything else. For these people I wana give some of the recent examples which shows that discrimination based on caste system is still prevailng in the society.

1) One of my friend Narendra Gajbiye..he has done his PG from NITIE.which is the most highly reputed college for MBA..after completng his PG he got placed in one company in calcuta..but after 3 months he has been told to leave the company because he belongs to SC..
2) the senior most executive director of the RBI, R.B. Barman, who was first promoted as deputy governor last November and then demoted to his previous rank a few weeks later. Sources contend that one of the reasons why he was sidelined may be because of his scheduled caste background.

Unfortunately, the central bank itself has ill-treated Barman, a scheduled caste, in the past few years. Barman joined the RBI 26 years ago and rose through the ranks to become executive director in November 2000. Thereafter, in July '03 and again in September '04, those junior to him were promoted to positions of deputy governor—such individuals include Shyamala Gopinath, K.J. Udeshi and Usha Thorat. On these occasions, Barman did not make any official complaint.

Then came the most humiliating experience. On November 17, at a meeting of a committee of the RBI's central board, Barman was finally elevated to the post of a deputy governor. According to para 1.2 of the meeting's minutes, the "Governor announced the elevation of Dr R.B. Barman, Executive Director, as Deputy Governor in his personal capacity, in recognition of his expertise and contributions in his area of specialisation."

Deputy governor V. Leeladhar issued an office order later the same day stating that Barman "has been given the status equivalent to that of Deputy Governor...till he attains the age of superannuation (i.e. till July 31, 2008) purely on personal basis". The order added that he would draw pay and allowances and be entitled to all facilities given to all deputy governors of the RBI. On December 2, Grace Koshy, chief general manager and secretary, issued a formal letter confirming Barman's re-designation. these was widely circulated within the RBI and became well known in financial circles.

However, on December 9, Koshy issued a "partial modification" of her earlier letter "advising" that whereas Barman had been given a status equivalent to that of deputy governor and was entitled to the remuneration and facilities given to all deputy governors of the RBI, "Dr Barman would continue to be designated as Executive Director". Barman and many others in financial circles saw the move as evidence of cavalier treatment of a scheduled caste person who had already been repeatedly superseded. It also shocked Barman, who took some time to figure out what had happened. He certainly felt he did not deserve such treatment from an organisation he had served faithfully since August 1979 when he was appointed deputy director.

After his demotion, on December 22, Barman wrote to RBI governor Y. V. Reddy complaining that while the minutes of the November 17 meeting of the RBI central board's committee and that day's office order had cleared his appointment, the subsequent decision to withdraw his designation had "caused me great humiliation and embarrassment, undermining my dignity, position and authority" and was an act of "great injustice". In the same letter, Barman asked Reddy to spell out the "legal and operational constraints" that prevented his elevation to the post of deputy governor although several others who were junior to him had been promoted. Four months after he wrote that letter, Barman is yet to receive a formal reply.

In retrospect, it appears that Reddy elevated Barman "in his personal capacity" without following the proper appointment procedure. The process of appointing a deputy governor begins with the governor recommending the person's name. this is initially processed by the banking department in the ministry of finance, then approved by the finance minister and finally, by the appointments committee of the cabinet. Even the RBI spokesperson admitted that "the appointment of a deputy governor can be made formally only by the government of India." But, none of these steps were followed in Barman's case.

So finaly I want to conclude by telling these anti-reservation people to look into the above mentioned situations and then make use of these BIG words
1) Do not divide
2) Equality
3) Merit.

Author: ROHAN PATIL
B.E. Production Engineering (Mumbai University)
M.Tech. Production Engineering (Mumbai University)
D.B.A. Operation Management (Wlingkar Mumbai)
Pg.D.B.A. Operation Management (welingkar Mumbai)