The ugly side of few perverted mindsFor nearly two weeks few filth in the capital were shouting that Merit is going to be compromised due to reservations. All the while, we had been giving clearcut evidence as to show that Merit will be NO WAY affected due to reservations and that reservations are going to uplift the society as a whole.
Now the cat is out of the bag.
As per Rediff a guy called Armaan says
“ We prefer reservation for people who deserve it. It's not that we don't have a conscience. We do care for the poor, those who really need help. We should have reservation on the basis of economy.”
So, at last as we have been telling all these days, these depraved guys never bothered about Merit. Merit was just an excuse for Apartheid. I would like to know the reaction of all those who were crying in the name of Merit (including two self-centered caste-centered nepotistic chaps who resigned from the knowledge commission in the name of merit) as to the new shift in demand by the Doctors that they are ready for Quota based on Economy, but not for quota based on Caste.
For those who do not know the difference, let me explain
Now if seats are reserved on the basis of caste, let us assume that a Student from FC will get the seat if he scores 297 out of 300 where as a student from SC will get the seat even if he scores 291 out of 300 (these are the cut off values from MBBS Admission in Tamil Nadu in 2005)
So far the apartheid guys were shouting loud that merit will be affected. There were even remarks from few of those “intelligent” chaps that a guy who scored 292 (SC guy who has got seat) is less talented (or less meritorious – let me repeat the word play) than the forward caste guy who scored 296 (and there fore cannot get the seat as the OC cut off is 297)
But now they WANT QUOTA ON ECONOMY. So they have no problem when a poor guy with mark 292 gets the seat while a rich guy with mark 296 does not get the seat. And strangely, in this case, (according to these doctors and also a person called Narayana moorthy, for whom I had great regard, until he too advised economy based quota) the merit is not affected when quota is based on economy.
Now I am not able to understand this……
If the earlier claim that merit is going to be affected by reservation based on caste is true, then merit is going to be affected if the quota is based on economy or for that matter any other reason like the state of domicile (Delhi – 100 percent reservation for Delhi Undergraduates) , Religion (eg Andhra Pradesh) , college graduated (eg JIPMER)
So a person whose primary aim is preservation of merit should NOT ALLOW ANY QUOTA.
But See the
They have gone on Mass CL today. They do not want a SC student getting 292 marks get MBBS. But they were silent when Private colleges were started that made any person, even those who passed 12th after 3 attempts get MBBS. What were they doing when the private colleges were opened? They did not even give a sign of protest. Do those AIIMS guys think that we all are fools to believe that they are crusading for merit at present? What were they doing for those sponsored seats and NRI quotas
They have no problem of a student getting low marks in PG entrance in AIIMS, but getting MD Gen just because he studied MBBS there. At that juncture they never represented to PM or President
And as per the latest statement, they have no problem if a poor guy who gets 292 marks become a doctor while a rich guy who gets 296 has to watch
BUT THEY ARE WORRIED when a SC Guy (or a OBC Guy) who takes 292 marks get admission instead of a Forward Community guy who gets 296.
SO in effect, all these hullabaloo over the past two weeks were not against reservations. It is in fact against the students from the reserved community.
They were not fighting for merit as they were claiming (we already knew that merit is a mask) They fight to maintain apartheid
And see this report in Economic times by Urmi Goswamy from
(as per http://thoughtsintamil.blogspot.com/2006/05/blog-post_23.html) that sums up the issue
PRIVATE schools and parents worried about their children studying along side children belonging to weaker sections can breathe easy. The government proposes to let them off the reservation hook. The model Right to Education Bill proposes that private schools that receive no funds from the government will not be required to take children from weaker sections. The Model Bill will form the basis of states' legislation to enable the fundamental right of education.
SO there are guys in
19 comments:
Awesome!yet again-been reading ur arguments all along.!
Keep it up...we still have miles to go...
It is funny how contradictory u speak...very funny..reservations were implemented because you cannot expect someone who is deprived to score as much marks as someone well settled can...in short i cannot compare myself to a student studying on the road and then say i have more merit...but according to you SC/ST/OBC category students have been doing better than the ones in FC so dude why on earth do u need reservations for????
I would really like a response from you on one thing "There are people in India who are truely deprived,die of starvation take for instance the farmers" how does the reservation help them???
Are you not denying justice to them you decide.Lets not try and win conversations here.
Do give it a thought!!!
(I hope you let this comment come on ur page and not moderate it out...we need to open our minds on this)
Again a completely useless argument....Quota based on economic standards of an individual does not mean that an individual with a less score should get admission in a good college/university..It means that a person with low income has to pay less but gets admission on the basis of his own merit....I guess the backward class(so called by you) are the poorer sections of the society (so said by you) who do not earn enough money(this too said by you) to support their children's education and not people who cannot score high or low percentages...
go fuck your self dude... you suck big time...
Yes the socially backward classes are also economically backward class. You will only come to know of this if you are born as one. It is because it was said so. The Govt of India believes so. The Politicians say so for their vote bank. Can we come out with the exact statistics of these ??? Does it mean that all the forward castes are economically well off. I have known many families who belonged to forward castes (I hate to use the word caste simply because i do not believe in discriminating people based on caste / religion) and were very poor finding it difficult to make both ends meet. The reservations have caused the worst atrocities in TN. I do not understand why no one raises his voice against this. or may be this is never heard of and nipped in the budding stage itself just for the political parties to survive. How are the other communities surviving in TN if 69% of the seats are reserved. Rest of the students fighting for mere 31%. Can we imagine a poor / average FC guy making his dreams true in TN. A well off guy moves from TN to pursue his studies and the rest just calm down and think that it is their fate. We see a Doctor's son becoming a Doctor, an Engineer's son gratudating from an IIM availing of these Reservation benefits (They go to the best Coaching classes, get the best of every thing possible and they still need reservations).
Any comments you could send me @ srinivasmurthy1980@gmail.com
Mr.Chella Durai,
First of all, kudos for having brought such an important debate on the forum, for it to be discussed by people who care about the future of India. It was a very interesting read, and I thought that people had responded amazingly well, albeit a little excitedly. It would have been better had they kept the foul language and the badmouthing out of this. But this is a pretty emotional issue, and the tempers are running high across the country.
I would like to share what I think about the issue. To begin with, let me take my stand: I am definitely against reservation of any kind.Before you begin to think of what you can tell me in return, I would like to make some points. Please listen to what I've got to say.
I am from Tamil Nadu. I live in Madurai. I am a member of the typical upper-middle-class-Brahmin family you seem to hate. I state this not because I want to gain any milage out of my caste or anything of that sort: I don't believe in caste or even religion for that matter. I want to tell you what it feels like from this end of the court.
1.You keep calling a section of the society as 'forward class'. Just like you people are called the'backward class' though you are not inferior to anyone in any sense, I believe the use of the term 'forward class' should be abandoned, because as Avvaiyar said, there are only two castes in the world: the people who do good and those who don't. It is not right in a secular country to call people 'forward' or 'backward'. In fact it is the same people who are for educational quotas who label us 'forward' so that they can get political mileage out of this issue. In other words, we are MADE forward.
2.As far as the debate about reservation to OBCs goes, you say that
(a) the anit-reservationists wanted merit based reservation at first and
(b) they then said that an economic-based reservation is fine.
It is a fact that the admission to almost all institutions of higher learning are made on the basis of some Entrance Exam Marks, and for getting through those exams, mere school-based-larning is not enough, the kids need coaching. You say that the kinda from the so called FC and Brahmin families have money to spend for it, and so are able to get through, while the children from the OBC, MBC, SC and ST castes are not able to afford it.
There was also a highly informative pie chart showing that within the open category, only 38 students out of 430 had got admission into the medical colleges. Also, that 321 BC students had got in too. Did these 321 BC students who got into Medicine get in without any sort of coaching whatsoever? If they DID take up coaching where did the money for it come from?
The reality is, Mr.Chella,most of the OBCs are economically well off. They are on par with the FC people when it comes to social standing, or even a notch above: the Brahmins are a weak caste... most of the OBCs can afford to hire goons and 'adiaatkal' for their support. The kind of social discriminations that you talk about was over a couple of generations ago. I do not deny that they didn't exist. But thanks to movements like the one by Periyar, it is almost gone now. Why should people who are socially and economically ahead, call themselves backward and want reservation for themselves? They are capable of standing on their own feet now, as seen from the figures in the pie chart. Why should we reserve seats for them?
The OBCs who live in villages and do not have access to even proper primary education should get that first. If they are given education on par with the best and finest city schools, and given special aid for coaching for the entrance exams, why can't they show their stuff too? The truth is that India is an unequal country. The inequality was in the society half a century ago. Today social unequality has been replaced by economic inequality.Let us smoothen out these inequalities first, then talk of reservations.
3. There was a mention in one of the comments that the Periyar movement has weeded out the use of caste names as last names in Tamil Nadu(ex.Rukmini Iyer, it said.) I study in an institution run by the Nadar community. Outside every classroom, outside every lab, the name of the people who contributed money towards the funding of the room is written in block letters. WITH THE SURNAME NADAR.
So Iyer is casteist but Nadar is not. How inconsistent can you get? The truth here is that the political parties need the support of the Nadar community which is a vast one in Tamil Nadu.
4. You had also said that Brahmins are against intercaste and inter community marriages. That the matrimonial ads in The Hindu and other newspapers advertise for a Brahmin groom for a Brahmin girl and vice versa.
Doesn't this practice exist in other communities? Yes, including the OBCs? Or have you not gone through the matrimonial ads properly? In fact, because people from the OBCs marry into other communities, there have been many incidents of people from one side inflicting violence on people of the other side. How many such incidents have been published in the Tamil Dailies? If you are anti-caste, practise it. Then preach.
The reaon for why I sound so agitated is simple: I was an invisible part of the pie chart. Yes, I took up the Medical Entrance last year. With high hopes and dreams. I worked and toiled away for a year.My friends know how much work I put in for the exams. Yet when the results came, I was not getting a seat, despite a good score. What irked me was the fact that a girl from my school, my class, who used to sit next to me in class, got lower marks than me.She got into medicine. She was from the reserved category, SC. I have been to her house. I know that her father is in a good job, that they could afford her coaching expenses. My family is probably not as affluent as hers. Yet this was my lot. I consider myself discriminated against, because of my caste.
When you write against the forward class in general and against brahmins in particular, I am able to sense an injustice of some sort meted out to you. If there has veen any injustice done to you, intended or unintended, I APOLIGISE ON BEHALF OF ALL THE PEOPLE YOU CONSIDER RESPONSIBLE. In a sense, I was discriminated against as much as you might have been. I might not allow my hate to grow.
BUT THERE MAY BE SO MANY OTHERS DISCRIMINATED AGAINST, WHO MIGHT HARBOUR A HATE.THEY MIGHT SHOW THEIR SPITE ON YOUR CHILDREN. THEN THIS CYCLE WILL NEVER END.
An eye for an eye will make the world blind. Let us stop our hate here. The world is wide enough for all of us.
Towards the making of a strong India...
JAI HIND.
P.S: Even if you moderate this out, I'm sure that you would have read it atleast once. Please think about this.
The author of this blog should come out of his racial feelings. In most of his comments, it is he himself who calls them as reserved and discriminates them. He has got the concept of Quota completely wrong. The Govt. to cover up its inefficacy of providing quality education to everyone (There is not caste involved here) has come up with an alternative to appease its vote bank and this is increase in Quota. We are all worried about the way this quota is being implemented in every sphere. Many want these quotas to be completely removed. But if at all the govt wants to continue quota, why not it be economy based instead of caste based. This might be acceptable as this is for the upliftment of the needy irrespective of the caste. The quota system is then reaching the real downtrodden(The list of OBC's has increased manifold in the past ten years. No one knows why and how). Some affluent communities are doing this for their benefit. Education should not be denied for anyone. Every one has equal rights. The Govt. should provide free and quality education for all. Then every one would compete for higher education in a healthy atmosphere which would be a good sign.
Chella U rock man...awesome...i completely agree with all of ur points...God has to help us...keep up the good work....
nirmal,
do you want god to help the so called OBC's to improve their economic status more and crushing the other caste people. looks like you people are the real caste fanatics. Do you want to come up in life at the cost of your brother or sister just because they did some sort of injustice (i am just trying to draw a parallel here) with you some few years ago? Why do you people just do not change your mindset and come out of this so called casteist world? Things have changed a lot in the 21st Century. You people still try to see the same things that happened to you till few centuries ago and want to cash on these along with the f*** politicians (They want to use caste for their votes). Excuse me for the language but i have lost respect in the Indian democracy itself and especially with the people oflate in the UPA govt. I have seen some people commenting on the matrimonial ads of the Brahmins. Do you think it is a sin on the part of that caste to marry a person from the same caste ?? I do not see anything wrong. I have seen many other castes also wanting brides/bride grooms from the same caste. Why does not Chella find wrong with this and targetting only one particular caste. The Brahmins are losing their identity with lots of Westernization happening in India and do you want to completely eliminiate this caste from our Country ???
Mr Chella, please go through the below article
Dalits have not benefited from quotas
http://ia.rediff.com/news/2006/jun/13inter1.htm?q=np&file=.htm
I liked Gaea's comments....well thought out and well presented
Nice work, Chella. However, iam not sure if Narayana Murthy really talked about reservations on economic basis. If u have data, share it.
hey,
so you think reservation has to be continued as usual although students from SC,ST,OBCs are getting equal chances in coaching just like "FORWARD CASTES".Why should a guy from OBC getting 292 get a seat in a college getting the same coaching as the forward caste guy getting 296 ??.First of all reservation was introduced to help the downtrodden economically(Backward castes at that time)..but the scenario has changed now.There is no difference between people of different castes now.So many FCs are poor and a lot of backward classes are rich.Thats why it would be better to implement resrvation according to economic standards until they are well off and can do without reservation.
ur arguments just reflect ur own baised opinions and how lopsided ur whole argumentative stance can be..i've been reading a few of ur articles and have only this to say..look at things from other angles too.
Reservation on the basis of economy: itmakes more sense coz the poorer guy cannot afford the extensive extravangant training n coachin programmes that the rich guy enrolls himself in...hence the poor guy needs some support..the same cannot be said about caste-based reservations...so please learn when to keep ur trap shut!
Chella is right that there is a dicotomy in Narayanamurthy's words. Defenitely economy based reservations will also affect merit, like caste based reservations. The point though is that the quota concept itself is flawed and it has been devised by politicians to meet their short sighted ends.
But unfortunately Mr.Narayanamurthy wants show a 'humane' image to the world and due to political compulsions he had to say whatever he said. The so called Pro-Reservationists(actually paid local goons) had gathered in front of Infosys and were protesting against Mr.Murthy.
But on the whole the likes of Mr.Chella and Co seem to have a single minded aim to propogate casteism and abuse the upper castes as they need to vent their frustrations built up due to their personal and historical failures.
Everybody knows what is right and what is not. It is just out of guilt(of using quotas personally) or for vote banks or just to grab attention, that these so called Pro-Reservationists are rallying. None of them have any conviction. So it is just argument for argument's sake.
You know all who are pro-reservationists !! i think you all are pathetic people who want to eat drink and enjoy all the leftovers from others. If you want that you deserve that. If you need respect take my word work work work hard and make yourself capable to stand in line with others. If not stay at the point where you are meant to be. I have seen this all and have been discriminated on basis of me being forward class and hence i left my country for good. Yeh bye the way chella, i can tell you that your post does not seem to make any sense as there is no consistency in your thoughts and arguments you use. You need to write some M.tech thesis to develop consistency.
@ Gaea
Well said and perhaps I hope that the youngsters today leave their hatred and join together to make a better India and a better world.
Man, remember we all scored well in the moral science paper which preached against hatredness and let us give the marks a purpose.
Hi Mr. Chella,
Hope you get well soon. As I see your education has not taught you well. Why don't you come back to India for treatment?
PS: Do you only treat people from your caste?
Excellent article.
Wow Awesome....
This is a slap on the face of discrimination.
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